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Thu May 26, 2011 11:12 am

On Tuesday of this week, I drove some tornado relief supplies and donations over to the Tuscaloosa/Birmingham area. Was done on Tuesday afternoon around 3:00 and said...."ummm, could spend 4-5 hours here and then go to sleep and drive back to Houston on Wednesday or, I could use the 4 hours to drive down to Navarre (through a lot of little Bama towns) and be able to wake up, walk the beach and the pier then drive home." Yep, picked Navarre! For about an hour and 15 minutes in Navarre, I drove 4 hours and it WAS worth every minute. June Grass has subsided, the water was clear and I even saw a 2.5 foot mahi-mahi caught off the pier. I have actually caught two off the pier and with a bubble rig of all things. I bet he had one great supper!

Anyway, something strange is happening and seemingly only on the western end, at least that is the most intense area. There are places now that have zero beach. Not many but a couple and one of them dangerously close to where the entire renourishment project started and I mean almost on the exact spot. When I say no beach, it was incoming tide at 5:30 a.m. Outgoing, there will be slightly more beach.

I was walking the beach in the 7400 blk and walking west and there I was having to get up on the berm to walk about 15 yards to get back down to the beach again. It was an incoming tide and the water was literally splashing/lapping up again the 8-9 berm "wall" that had been created by the water. Yes, on an outgoing tide you would have a little room to stay on the beach. Incoming, no way, at least in these couple of places.

The question is, PBeach as a lot of beach and I mean a lot. Navarre's eastern end has a substantial amount. The National Seashore has a lot of beach. Destin/Fort Walton, no problems. All, relatively speaking of course.

So, why is Navarre's eroding so much and specifically on the western end and almost directly where the process began? Any scientific thoughts?
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Thu May 26, 2011 10:30 pm

last year the eastern end, sepcifically in front of beach colony, was just like that, pkid. this year it has a LOT more beach. just depends on the winter storms i guess.
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Fri May 27, 2011 8:18 am

Well, Gailjean.....that may be but again, if one looks at all the other places I mentioned (and I have stood on all of them) and if you look even at the webcam shots of the entire beach, the western end is getting hammered and specifically and strangely, where it all began. So, there are two puzzles here. Number one, why is Navarre Beach eroding more than other places (when it is relatively isolated) and secondly, why is it eroding far more in exactly the spot where the renourishment began. Very strange! Hey...there is still beach and beautiful beach and we are so looking foward to being there. Just curious I suppose!!
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Fri May 27, 2011 10:39 am

The eroding beach at the western end of Navarre Beach has been explained about a dozen times on this Forum. Again, here is the explanation. In March of 2006 the Navarre Beach Restoration Project started at the western end of Navarre Beach and the Project was competed at the eastern end in November of 2006.

The engineering consultant for the Project was Peter Ravella from Austin, TX. About June of 2006 Peter and I were at the very western end of Navarre Beach. Peter was very concerned that the 15 foot berm (dune) stopped abruptly at the Navarre Beach boundary of the Gulf Islands National Seashore property. He told me that the western end of the beach would become a major problem of breach for hurricane surge or tropical storms. Peter tried to persuade the National Seashore to allow the berm to continue westward on the National Seashore property for about 2,000 feet, but the National Park Service said no.

Peter was right! In the past 5 years the western end of Navarre Beach has lost some beach caused by storm surge from Louisiana and Texas hurricanes and several tropical storms. Per Peter’s prediction the very western end of Navarre Beach lost nearly all of its berm. Santa Rosa County in 2009 brought in hundreds of dump trucks of sand to renourish the western end of the beach. The area affected is only about 1,500 feet of the 4.5 miles of Navarre Beach.

Peter and I developed a strong friendship after the 2006 beach restoration and we still talk several times a year. Peter is the one that introduced me a few years ago to a wind turbine specialist attorney in Texas about my concerns of the proposed Navarre Beach 200 feet to 400 feet high wind turbine that I am adamantly opposed to.

As you can see storm surge problems for the very western end of the beach will be an ongoing process. Case in point – The very eastern end of Navarre Beach on the boundary of the Eglin AFB property is experiencing the same beach erosion as the western end of the beach.

In my opinion the rest of Navarre Beach has held up extremely well over the past 5 years. Some beach erosion was expected in the 5 year plan. Over the past few years many areas along the beach have experienced some loss of beach sand, and in a few months the sand was replaced by another storm surge. Storm surges can add new sand to the beach and they can take away sand.

Example: At the Belle Mer that is 1 mile west of the Fishing Pier in 2008 lost all of its sand up to the steps of the walkover. Actually, there was an 8 foot cliff below the steps where the walkover was closed for a while. Then storms started to move sand back on the beach in this area. Nature began restoring the sand at the Belle Mer whereas today there is almost a 100 feet of sand between the steps of the walkover and the surf. The surf line of the world’s beaches has been changing continuously for millions of years. Those changes are going to continue.

The Good News
The Navarre Beach Restoration Plan of 2006 is eligible for another Beach Restoration Project in December 2011. Santa Rosa County has already started the process of submitting information for federal and state permitting approval. The Project will build back the berm where there is erosion and add back any sand that was lost since 2006. The plan is to begin the beach restoration in 2012.

The Bad News
The next Navarre Beach restoration (renourishment) is contingent upon federal, state and county funding. As we all know, the federal government is broke. The state of Florida is broke and Santa Rosa County is broke. The cost of the 2006 beach restoration was about 20 million dollars. The estimated cost for another beach restoration could exceed 40 million dollars.

However, at some time in the future Navarre Beach will have another beach restoration. I just don’t know when that is going to happen. As explained above even with another beach restoration project, the western end of the beach will always have a problem with storm surge more than other areas of the beach.

For those that are reading comments that might convey that Navarre Beach is losing a lot of its beach - it is just not true. We have plenty of beach! Come visit Navarre Beach this year – it is truly Paradise.
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Fri May 27, 2011 11:08 am

Thank you Kenny for the clarification!

Please don't misunderstand me....I am not offering anything negative here, just observations based on my being there and observing. All the good of Navarre Beach is still there and there is plenty of beach to enjoy!
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Fri May 27, 2011 12:10 pm

PensacolaKid,

I did not consider your post as negative. My comment was to let the readers of the Forum understand better the beach erosion at the very western end of Navarre Beach. I did want anybody to think that all of Navarre Beach is having a problem with severe beach erosion. I agree with you that there is plenty of beach to enjoy.
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Fri May 27, 2011 1:18 pm

As Kenny mentioned, Mother Nature has her way of adding and taking. If you see the beach daily, as some of us do, you will note it scalloped and then straighten within days, sometimes within hours. Wind direction, tides, storms, all have an effect.

As Peter knew, where the end of the berm allows wind and water to access more surface, there has to be more erosion. Just after Fredrick, one of the condos piled thier sifted sand from the property along the south side of the condo, mainly for protection as high tide was reaching the building. The pile was thier own private berm extending over 300' in length and 30-40' wide. A tropical storm came along and I watched as wind and water surrounded the ends and completely eroded the entire pile within, not days or weeks, but hours.

Some areas give the allusion of being much narrower when, in fact, they are just as wide as when the renourishment was completed. The reason is that the berm is wider in some areas because of sand build up on the south side from winds. The only way to really guage this is by knowing where the walkovers reached the beach. All of them were a few feet beyond the side of the berm when constructed but, now, some of thier 1st few steps are covered by sand with the berm seeming to eat the walkover.

Since the storms we, all, are more sensitive to the changes that we used to take in stride, maybe not even take note of.

Mother Nature will always change the shape and width of the beach just as she changes the structure, holes, the breaks in the bars, all the things we watch for when fishing. At the same time, she will reclaim those same breaks, holes, etc. over a period of time but, maybe, a few yards futher east/ west, or north/south. We, humans, try to change her ways but lose most of the time. Maybe that is why we say "Don't mess with Mother Nature". Like most mothers, she will have her way.
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Fri May 27, 2011 2:55 pm

For what it's worth, the sand berm on the western end of Navarre Beach was renourished and completed to the Wildlife Preserve last year. When this took place, truck loads of sand was hauled in and sea oats were planted. Unlike the sand that was dredged from the Gulf water which contained shells and rocks, this "hauled-in" sand had been cleaned. Clean sand does not hold as well and unfortunately the sea oats are still not well established.

On another note, Florida has suspended key protections to reduce or prevent environmental harm and public health risks in rebuilding eroded beaches with dredged materials:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2011 ... 8-092.html
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Fri May 27, 2011 3:31 pm

From the link http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2011 ... 8-092.html
The memo by Jeff Littlejohn, DEP Deputy Secretary for Regulatory programs, makes it clear that beach work should be "presumptively approved regardless of consequences," said PEER in a statement Tuesday.

"While we must consider the potential for adverse impacts to fish and wildlife and their habitats, we must keep the following fact clear in our minds: The restoration of critically eroded beaches increases habitat and has been determined by the legislature to be in the public interest," Littlejohn writes.
I called the Florida DEP and they said that any dredging of sand for beach renourishment has to be tested for containments before it can be distributed on a beach. If the test results are acceptable the dredging will be allowed. This same test was conducted in 2005 and passed prior to the Navarre Beach Restoration Project of 2006.

Furthermore, the article is about BT oil impacts and has absolutely nothing to do with the proposed Navarre Beach Restoration Project that is currently being considered.
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I just got off the phone with Peter Ravella my good friend – we talked about a lot of things today. Peter was the head environmental engineer consultant for the 2006 Beach Restoration Project. Today Peter is in North Carolina as the consultant for a beach restoration. Peter lives in Austin, Texas. He is a board member for the New York Opera.

I asked Peter if the state of Florida had suspended the dredging of sand for beach restoration projects. He said he was not aware of this suspension, but that he was aware of the proposed BP Gulf funding of 100 million dollars for beach restoration where beaches were impacted by the Gulf Oil Spill of last year. Peter agreed with me that the BP Gulf oil funding has nothing to do with Navarre Beach Restoration planned for 2012.

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I asked Peter how his niece was doing. His niece is his sister’s daughter. Peter’s niece was the coordinator of scheduling for Sarah Palin in the 2008 McCain/Palin political President/Vice President campaign. I asked him if his niece still respected Sarah Palin and he said that she still does. So those liberal rumors that you have heard since 2008 that the coordinator of Palin’s campaign scheduling disliked Palin was a bald face lie. You Betcha!
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Fri May 27, 2011 6:23 pm

An aside, referencing Kenny's last paragraph: Liberal media just love to sling around all kinds of manure with the hopes that some or most of it will stick! They don't count on folks checking the facts!!
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Sat May 28, 2011 10:02 am

And they have no facts and they have no substance nor any foundation. The phrase..."symbolism over substance" is as true as the day is long. Frankly, in 2011 especially and most certainly since this joke got into office, one has to be extremely suspect of any Liberal/Democrat, be one running for office or one that supports those running or in office. A liberal's/Democrat's sole goal, is to further an agenda that is, "ANTI!" That is, anti-God, anti-liberty, anti-traditional family, anti-military, anti-gun, anti-growth, anti-prosperity, anti-Israel, etc. There is absolutely no room any longer in this country for a Democratic philosophy/agenda. NONE!

There is an old saying..."nothing good can come from being out after 2:00 a.m.!" Nothing good for our country, can come from a liberal!!
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Seems the liberal media has renewed thier fear/hate of Palin, already spreading fresh manure concerning her, her daughter, her family, and her friends. Starting the same with the N.J. Gov.. Does not mater if true or not, there are those that drink the kool aid and will believe with no intent to find the truth, easier just to lap it up like little sheep. Still amazes me that so many believe everthing they hear from the extreme liberal media and totally refuse to tune in others for fear of hearing the truth or a balanced report, might blow thier bubble.

Seems one of the extreme left pontifs, Mr. Ed (Shultz), got carried away, showed his a-- and true colors, and got quickly suspended by his new media owners. My belief is that they reacted quickly because they already were keeping reins on him and his vile comments regarding anyone with conservative views. He may go quickly the way of his predecessor. Maddow may be next.

You have to admire Palin's using the media for publicity though. If her name dies back, plan a tour or buy a house and she goes national again. Throw out the bait, hook em, and reel them in. And they claim she is dumb, look in the mirror, suckers. The house cost less than a national ad and coulld be considered a logical investment. :wink:

Ooops! Sorry to have added to the highjack of the berm discusion.
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Sat May 28, 2011 2:31 pm

Don't worry about the hijacking David. Answers already been had.

Ed (The Ed Show), literally is an idiot! Anyone who has watched him would know and see it immediately. He offers nothing but bashing Fox and Conservatives. He is a bloated bag of wind! Again, look at his ratings compared to Fox at the same time. He has no ratings! Ummmmm!
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Tue May 31, 2011 12:01 am

Just got back tonight :cry: and there is plenty of beach in front of Sundunes. Very small drop off to the water this time too. I will be back in 2 weeks and of course that could change but the size of the beach was not an issue what so ever!
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