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Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:09 am

Got to tell ya folks, by the day, it appears there is no stopping Donald Trump. Now we have a turncoat in Sarah Palin...who professes to be a gun toting, NRA member, Christian conservative, who has backed Ted Cruz heavily in the past, now throwing her support to the Trump camp.

I partially blame Cruz for this because just like all good politicians and he is seemingly showing that side of himself regularly now, the skeletons come out of the closet and the changing of his mind depending on who he is talking to, changes like a wind sock.

Did you hear Trump the other night quoting 2nd Chronicles when he said......"two Chronicles!" As Christ himself said, "you can tell a tree by it's fruit" and by that statement alone, I doubt Donald Trump has ever opened a Bible.

Yes by all means, I would prefer him over Clinton and by miles.

Bernie Sanders, may garner a ton of votes from the illiterate, moronic minorities and millennials he is appealing to. How he is gaining support without a definitive plan other than taxing the hell out of America, escapes me. The idiots supporting him apparently think all this free crap comes from trees and bushes.

Clinton, hopefully will be in court and unable to run.

Finally and as has been the case since day one, I firmly believe America is so sick of Washington DC and the career politicians that that is the reason why Trump continues to lead. He is beholding to no one and says exactly what is on his mind.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:36 am

PensacolaKid wrote:...quoting 2nd Chronicles when he said......"two Chronicles!"
I'm a "licensed" lay reader in the Episcopal Church (and some recent issues I have with that/my church is whole 'nother topic!).

However, first - Trump quoted “Two Corinthians, 3:17,” - NOT "Chronicles".

Second, when I'm reading the Epistle I verbally use the Pauline reference as appropriate such as, "St. Paul's Second Letter to the Corinthians".

BUT - in the Bible I use most at home (NIV - Thompson Chain Reference) the printed title of the book is "2 Corinthians" - it is NOT printed "2nd Corinthians", nor "Second Corinthians", etc.
Such printed titling of books is used in the printed versions of most (if not all?) Bibles.

So - verbally "Two Corinthians" (and any other books of the Bible that are so numbered) is perfectly acceptable - and some/many of the licensed lay readers and others in my church verbally use the same short hand - both during service and/or during Bible study.

This is a non-issue. Period.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:49 am

I meant 2nd Corinthians. Secondly Pete, I simply have never heard that book referred to in that vernacular and I have worshiped in the Catholic church, Lutheran church, Baptist church and now Methodist, albeit quite contemporary.

To me and again, I have very keen, discerning eyes and ears and with Trump, he seemingly quotes scripture, raises a Bible when it is convenient for him and when he knows he is in front of a majority of Christians. I don't see him doing it when he is in the midst of others and I certainly don't see him doing in the north nearly as often as when he is down south. That tells me something. I am not about to judge the man's faith or lack of it just making a statement based on what I see and hear. Just seemed strange.

You are right though to a certain degree, it is a non-issue.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:03 am

Yes, in my opinion, although a lot of the lesser known conservative talking heads may be making some big deal of the terminology Mr. Trump used quoting scripture, I too believe it is really a "non issue". We have innocent citizens of the U.S. being kidnapped, held for ransom, beheadings of Christians all over the world, Christianity being attacked here and abroad, the American dream under attack, etc. ... in other words, a lot more pressing issues than use of terminology, for heaven's sake!

As to Mrs. Palin's announcement, I have to say, although I still admire and love her as a sister in Christ, it seems to me that she has had a critical lapse of good judgment in her backing of Mr. Trump. I still believe in my heart that Mr. Cruz is the man "for a time such as this".
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:16 am

I believe he is as well and although anything can happen and probably will, it does not bode well for the Cruz camp.

As for the reason I even brought up the 2 Corinthians, I just thought it was a reflection, an example of his pandering to folks depending on who he is speaking with at the time. Of course in the bigger scheme of Christian persecution, it is meaningless.
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As is the case with most every family and in this day, it is even more prevalent, there is a degree of dysfunction. Sarah Palin's family, specifically her children, seem to find ways to make the headlines. Her son is now in the news for domestic violence. What happened to the days of the Cleaver's?

Personally I believe it started with 1963 and banning prayer from schools. Then just 10 years later, hey, let's make it legal to kill a baby. Then the drugs, then the freedom movement and wham bam, thank you mam....God was officially kicked down the street and all hell started breaking out. Just my opinion though!
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:49 pm

Small Government, lower taxes, fewer regulations and the constitution?

Not anymore. Big government, bailouts, executive orders, not just abortion but partial birth abortion, nationalizing of banks, stimulus, pathway to citizenship. All of these views were held by Donald Trump during the Obama administration. Pathway to citizenship in 2013. Some as recently as last year. What was the massive pivot point to make him change so fundamentally? When Sarah and the tea party won a hard fought election and were under attack in 2010, DJT was giving money to Pelosi, Reid and Rahm. I couldn’t disagree with her more but she has played the game now for years. Perhaps she knows more than those of us still on the outside.
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:23 am

I think she wants to remain in the forefront and she is tying herself to the one she feels will beat everyone else. What other explanation could there be. She and Cruz were two peas in a pod. It is disappointing, I know that. I know DT is saying what most Americans feel and I am all for someone other than a career politician getting that job but I am no where near having even the remotest of faith in Donald Trump being a gun owning, military loving, Godly conservative. I think Donald Trump has Donald Trump first and foremost at the top.

What about a Cruz/Rubio ticket?
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PensacolaKid wrote:I think she wants to remain in the forefront and she is tying herself to the one she feels will beat everyone else. What other explanation could there be. She and Cruz were two peas in a pod. It is disappointing, I know that. I know DT is saying what most Americans feel and I am all for someone other than a career politician getting that job but I am no where near having even the remotest of faith in Donald Trump being a gun owning, military loving, Godly conservative. I think Donald Trump has Donald Trump first and foremost at the top.

What about a Cruz/Rubio ticket?
I know many Americans seem to like everything that Trump says no matter how negative the message might be. What bothers me most about Trump is what he doesn't say. For instance you never hear Trump talk about the U.S. Constitution other than the 2nd Amendment. This really raises a red flag for me.

I have no problem with a Cruz/Rubio ticket.
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 pm

A person needs neither to tote a gun nor the Bible to fulfill the office of President of the United States. To narrow down and weed out people on those two credentials makes no sense. Find a spiritual leader in your place of worship.

As for Trump, he will do anything to pander to the ultra conservative right. I have said from the beginning he is Hillary's ticket to the White House.

It's a sad lot that sits on the Republican primary ticket for Florida on March 15. :roll: The only person I can consider, but one that has no chance of winning, is John Kasich.
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Linda wrote:A person needs neither to tote a gun nor the Bible to fulfill the office of President of the United States.
Quite.
Linda wrote:As for Trump, he will do anything to pander to the ultra conservative right. I have said from the beginning he is Hillary's ticket to the White House.
Indeed.

What matters is not the primary electorate (and all the shouting and posturing going on right now) but the general electorate and November.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:18 am

Kenny Wilder wrote:
PensacolaKid wrote:I think Donald Trump has Donald Trump first and foremost at the top.

What about a Cruz/Rubio ticket?
I have no problem with a Cruz/Rubio ticket.
Interesting that the GOP seems to be dumping both Cruz and Rubio so fast that by this time next month, they may be yesterdays men. Perhaps the GOP establishment is just over-reacting to CNN sponsored shouting matches or even to polls that show that is a losing ticket?

I predict it'll be Trump vs either Clinton or Sanders (the donkey party candidate race is too close to call right now)...
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:15 am

Linda you wrote: "A person needs neither to tote a gun nor the Bible to fulfill the office of President of the United States."

I, and millions of the minority of this country could not disagree with you more but with a different meaning that perhaps you are not grasping or don't want to grasp.

From a purely superficial standpoint, I as well, don't want a President with a gun on his hip and a Bible in one hand slamming people over the head. I damn sure want a President who will beyond any shadow of a doubt (unlike the muslim in chief now) support the ownership of guns and the toting of said Bibles. Again, at the very core and fabric of our country.

From a far deeper perspective, this country was conceived and built with Judeo/Christian principles. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION! Not hindu, not muslim, not buddist, nor agnostic. Ideally and certainly with the moral and ethical character that has now been firmly established and entrenched in this country and in Washington DC over decades, the time has never been better for a President to govern the people and lead the people with an internal, Godly conviction. Remember a guy named Reagan? Look what has transpired over the past 7 years with the Godless President we have now. Just look at the despair, strife, divide he has created. I think it is pretty evident, he has not governed with that conviction!

Does a President "need" to be a Godly man to fulfill the job requirements of a President's work? Obviously many, like yourself, feel that can be done. I do not! I firmly believe this country's vehement desire to try and make it on our own without Godly direction, is the reason we are where we are.

You (others) would have to be an absolute fool to believe in this day in age, that this country could be governed and do so prosperously without an inwardly Godly person at the helm. He does not have to beat the country over the head with a Bible but someone who first and foremost allows God to direct his life and who acts, thinks, speaks and governs in that manner is absolutely and desperately needed.

However, if the asinine and stupid people of the majority of this country somehow elect the criminal, Hilary Clinton (if she is even in the race) or the Socialist Sanders, God will sit by idly and let us relish in the dire straights we create for ourselves, just as He has done thus far.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:37 am

You take my simple words to springboard into what you want to say. I said what I said and I stick with it. If you twist, that's your twist, not mine.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:03 am

No twisting. I think I was perfectly clear and even agreed with you from a superficial standpoint. We simply have two drastically different ways of viewing the world and who made it.

On to other things and topics!
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