Have the numbers been manipulated

[PensacolaKid]

Has this Covid thing been a scam? Have evil people had ulterior motives with this virus? Is this virus being used today for political gain?

YES, YES and YES

I have been saying this for months. When the first reports came out about how people were dropping right and left, how every "celebrity" was dying of Covid only to discover that even if someone died of say, cancer but was tested positive for Covid, they chalked it up as a Covid death.... I knew something was amiss. Now it has come out that if a person tests positive and has another test a week later, they chalk this up as two positives? Why?

Why would anyone purposely taint the numbers in favor of making this as bad as it can sound. This while the real numbers and the real recovery rates (99.875% survival rate) to not mesh up with what "they" are saying.

I can tell you in two words......President Trump. All this and no doubt starting by or at least during Obama's last round, to remove a President, a man that they despise because they did not, could not and still cannot do what he has done in 3.5 years and it makes them livid. Even some on the right. He owes no one, he is beholding to no one and he is not part of the good ol boys club that has manipulated the people of America for decades. Many on both sides but most certainly the demons on the left.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5efab6956 ... GSPlghaiVk

[PensacolaKid]

And just for the record, the virus is real. The way it has been manipulated by many for ill gotten gain is not.

Another fact...."they" keep saying how contagious this virus is. Really? H1N1 infected over 60 million just in America. How many has this infected? Exactly! Not even a fraction of what H1N1 did.

"They" purposely shut this country down and this world for a reason and a reason that was not and is not today, warranted. Scam! Fraud! Criminal!

[AngelGirl]

This pretty much says it all!

[PensacolaKid]

What an evil, depraved, vile bitch!!!!!! I would like to call her something else but will refrain. How in the hell did she get elected to Congress????

[Pete]

Most interesting - thanks.

[PensacolaKid]

Saw a supposedly renowned Epidemiologists on TV yesterday saying that the masks are creating far more bad than good. Let me ask again ...

1. When will this end?
2. Who will be the person (s) to say so?
3. What will they base this decision upon?

They could very easily work this into the Influenza season and mandate by law that everyone henceforth, like China, wears a mask.

People better wake up.

[marko]

You really need to vet your news sources. Post is fake;

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-b ... sed-tweet/

Also, the numbers are off, they are under counted.
The teams published their findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Wednesday. In the study, they found: “Between March 1, 2020, and April 25, 2020, a total of 505 059 deaths were reported in the US; 87 001 (95% CI, 86 578-87 423) were excess deaths, of which 56 246 (65%) were attributed to COVID-19.” And while that number illustrates about one-third of “excess deaths” that are not being reported as coronavirus-related, the distribution across the country of these distinctions are not equal. “In 14 states, more than 50% of excess deaths were attributed to underlying causes other than COVID-19.”

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2768086

I doubt any of it matters to you. Some people will continue to seek out conspiracy theories and justify lies to support their Dear Leader no matter what he does or says. Sad

[PensacolaKid]

If you are speaking of the AOC post we all know that Snopes is a liberal source so not sure I would believe anything they put out. Secondly, even if it is not true even you should have seen her character over the last year and half and heard any number of her asinine remarks ALL in favor of removing President Trump. Every damn last one of them.Third, no one will ever convince me that the deaths they are recording as Covid are legitimate numbers. Same family as SARS-CoV-1. Both enveloped viruses meaning in one sense, "E"asy to kill as just one factor.

No, there is a reason why and you know it as well as I. They are inflating numbers, keeping businesses closed and keeping people down to make this economy and atmosphere as bad as they can make it until November third. You know why, cause they don't have any other plans. They don't have any solutions. They have nothing but a senile, old, mumbling, pervert for a candidate and an evil, insatiable appetite for power and a demonic degree of hate. Have you heard a single one? No, you have not. if you don't see that either you don't want to or you are one of them, which is fairly obvious on both. You sound like you would support the Socialists movement! Would you? Fourth, knock yourself out and vote for Biden and the communists fool he will have as his mate and watch this country literally implode and break out into war on the streets.

[Pete]

Also, the numbers are off, they are under counted.
The teams published their findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Wednesday. In the study, they found: “Between March 1, 2020, and April 25, 2020, a total of 505 059 deaths were reported in the US; 87 001 (95% CI, 86 578-87 423) were excess deaths, of which 56 246 (65%) were attributed to COVID-19.” And while that number illustrates about one-third of “excess deaths” that are not being reported as coronavirus-related, the distribution across the country of these distinctions are not equal. “In 14 states, more than 50% of excess deaths were attributed to underlying causes other than COVID-19.”
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2768086

The cited JAMA article does NOT say Covid-19 deaths ARE undercounted. It says:

The number of publicly reported deaths from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) MAY underestimate the pandemic’s death toll.

(emphasis mine)
In other words - they MAY not be undercounted, either.
Article notes:

Moreover, restrictions imposed by the pandemic (eg, stay-at-home orders) could claim lives indirectly through delayed care for acute emergencies, exacerbations of chronic diseases, and psychological distress (eg, drug overdoses).

It also notes:

Large increases in mortality from heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases were observed. Further investigation is required to determine the extent to which these trends represent nonrespiratory manifestations of COVID-19 or secondary pandemic mortality caused by disruptions in society that diminished or delayed access to health care and the social determinants of health (eg, jobs, income, food security).

(again, emphasis mine).
Having read and analyzed medical literature for over 30-years (including actual courses in such evaluation) this article shows nothing definitive - either way.
The only deaths that should be counted as "Covid-19" are one's with actual positive tests, not "presumed" to be. Presumption can be manipulated - for many reasons. And even if a positive Covid-19 PCR - need to make sure the death was not primarily another underlying cause.

Anyway, this study only analyzed March and April - the height of the problem. If go to current data :https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm - it is noted that deaths have been falling all of May and June (though June may not have all data in yet) - even as the economy is inching out of lockdown. And that is, "Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19" - which, as above, I find suspect.

And at the "Excess Deaths Associated with Covid-19" link (when there, scroll to bottom):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm - excess deaths have been dropping since April 11th.

When on that page - under "Options" - "Select a Dashboard" - select the "Total number above average by cause" button (and then "Update Dashboard") - can see, as a single cause, "Alzheimer/dementia" is by far the largest number of excess deaths (over 16,000 since 2/1/20) - makes sense, social isolation of such from family and social contact and they rapidly decline. Cardiovascular, all together, counts for nearly 22,000 excess deaths for same period, while Diabetes and Malignancy were 7,300 excess deaths. The lockdown and diversion of medical capacity may (again, may) have contributed due to not being able to get care, nor not seeking care due to lockdown.
Anyway, Respiratory (Covid or not) contributed to just under 5,000 excess deaths, about 10% of the 50,770 total excess deaths.

Where the article gets, "65% attributed to Covid" I don't see. Though by just examining March and April it probably was higher than current data. Also, the excess deaths by non-respiratory causes (I speculate) probably increase the longer folks went without medical care - whether due to it being unavailable, or lack seeking it due to isolation.

I would argue the lockdown caused far more deaths due to lack of medical care during lockdown than did Covid.

[PensacolaKid]

Thank you for the extended follow up Pete. Good, solid information. To your last point, I do not doubt for a second that at least 1/2 to 2/3 to maybe even 4/5 of the deaths "they" have attributed to Covid are indeed attributable to other causes such as those you state. We will probably never know because this is now gotten so big and out of hand.

I wonder, when President Trump wins handily in November, I wonder what calamity will befall America then. Cause you know they are working on it right now, if in fact they do not already have it sitting in their computers just waiting to press "send." Warped, deranged people.