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Fri May 08, 2020 7:14 am

Continuion this from "Beach Rentals"
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Thu May 07, 2020 8:44 am
Hospitals getting incentivized for claiming a death as Covid. Which is why these numbers are false.
That is for sure. Incentivized not only for categorizing deaths, but also admissions (esp. ICU) and ventilator use. Read get extra reimbursement for such - and are incentivized to put on ventilators with even higher reimbursement. Wonder if there are any patients put on ventilators that really might not of needed it - just for the money (that hosptials are NOT getting because most/all other medical care has been cancelled?
We had pre-Covid "average" numbers for flu, pneumonia, etc. admissions, ICU, ventilator use, and deaths. Wonder if this year there are any such that are NOT labeled "Covid"?
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Fri May 08, 2020 8:06 am

I have been saying for some time now Pete that I felt there was collusion, funny things going on with whole mess. I stick by that. Now we are seeing some smoke involving Bill Gates, whom I believe to be quite evil. Just too many things not meshing. This was perhaps the biggest underhanded scheme against this planet in the planets history. Whether it was manufactured or natural (I believe it to be manufactured).
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Tue May 12, 2020 7:42 am

I guess some people will gravitate towards evidence-free conspiracy theories instead of the facts the matter because they have an overwhelming need to find something to fit their narrative. There have been numerous reports showing that is not “manufactured” and is zoonotic in origin, though they have not pinpointed the exact species. I am guessing you are going after Bill Gates because he had a TED talk a few years ago predicting an unknown virus would emerge eventually. You know, like every epidemiologist has predicted would happen, because it’s the nature of things.

To say that hospitals are over-counting Covid cases is yet another evidence free conspiracy theory. It is quite well known that the death count from Covid is under counted. This is largely due to the lack of testing, especially in the early days of the Pandemic. CDC released a more detailed study of just New York City and affirmed this. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... 19e5-H.pdf

Meanwhile:
President Trump President Obama
Covid-19: H1N1
US Cases: 1,378,548 US Cases: 61 million
US Deaths: 81,491 US Deaths: 12,469
Panic Level: mass hysteria Panic level: zero

And your Dear Leader continues to lie and desperately tries to blame anyone else but him. I am curious why no one here ever acknowledges his rampant lying. Do you not believe he is lying or you really don’t care?
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:48 am

It all depends on who you talk to or listen to I suppose. No way in hell this virus can account for 80K+ deaths. No way. Inflated!
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:50 am

Blaming everyone but him??? Then Obama caused H1N1. How utterly foolish but then again.......

It was China. What part of that equation are you having a problem with?
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Tue May 19, 2020 8:46 am

There is something very "fishy" about the hydroxychloroquine narrative - note this article (highlights mine):
I've also inserted some of the links that were in the article - especially note the one to the 2005 NIH study!
Some of the speculation as to why HCQ/azithromycin/zinc is not being embraced by "the powers that be" are thought provoking.
Should I (or family) - unfortunately - become symptomatic, I would press for the regime as early as possible.
(recalling that I have medical training)

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Fauci knew about HCQ in 2005 -- nobody needed to die

Monday, April 27, 2020 | Bryan Fischer - Guest Columnist

Dr. Anthony Fauci, whose “expert” advice to President Trump has resulted in the complete shutdown of the greatest economic engine in world history, has known since 2005 that chloroquine is an effective inhibitor of coronaviruses.

How did he know this? Because of research done by the National Institutes of Health, of which he is the director. In connection with the SARS outbreak - caused by a coronavirus dubbed SARS- CoV - the NIH researched chloroquine and concluded that it was effective at stopping the SARS coronavirus in its tracks. The COVID-19 bug is likewise a coronavirus, labeled SARS-CoV-2. While not exactly the same virus as SARS-CoV-1, it is genetically related to it, and shares 79% of its genome, as the name SARS-CoV-2 implies. They both use the same host cell receptor, which is what viruses use to gain entry to the cell and infect the victim.

The Virology Journal - the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health - published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading - get ready for this - “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

Write the researchers, “We report...that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

Dr. Anthony FauciThis means, of course, that Dr. Fauci (pictured at right) has known for 15 years that chloroquine and it’s even milder derivative hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) will not only treat a current case of coronavirus (“therapeutic”) but prevent future cases (“prophylactic”). So HCQ functions as both a cure and a vaccine. In other words, it’s a wonder drug for coronavirus. Said Dr. Fauci’s NIH in 2005, “concentrations of 10 μM completely abolished SARS-CoV infection.” Fauci’s researchers add, “chloroquine can effectively reduce the establishment of infection and spread of SARS-CoV.”

Dr. Didier Raoult, the Anthony Fauci of France, had such spectacular success using HCQ to treat victims of SARS-CoV-2 that he said way back on February 25 that “it’s game over” for coronavirus.
https://spectator.org/the-20-solution-t ... ife-saver/

He and a team of researchers reported that the use of HCQ administered with both azithromycin and zinc cured 79 of 80 patients with only “rare and minor” adverse events. “In conclusion,” these researchers write, “we confirm the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine associated with azithromycin in the treatment of COVID-19 and its potential effectiveness in the early impairment of contagiousness.”

The highly-publicized VA study that purported to show HCQ was ineffective showed nothing of the sort. HCQ wasn’t administered until the patients were virtually on their deathbeds when research indicates it should be prescribed as soon as symptoms are apparent. Plus, HCQ was administered without azithromycin and zinc, which form the cocktail that makes it supremely effective. At-risk individuals need to receive the HCQ cocktail at the first sign of symptoms.

But Governor Andrew Cuomo banned the use of HCQ in the entire state of New York on March 6, the Democrat governors of Nevada and Michigan soon followed suit, and by March 28 the whole country was under incarceration-in-place fatwas.

Nothing happened with regard to the use of HCQ in the U.S. until March 20, when President Trump put his foot down and insisted that the FDA consider authorizing HCQ for off-label use to treat SARS-CoV-2.

On March 23, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko reported that he had treated around 500 coronavirus patients with HCQ and had seen an astonishing 100% success rate. That’s not the “anecdotal” evidence Dr. Fauci sneers at, but actual results with real patients in clinical settings.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-su ... us/5708056

“Since last Thursday, my team has treated approximately 350 patients in Kiryas Joel and another 150 patients in other areas of New York with the above regimen. Of this group and the information provided to me by affiliated medical teams, we have had ZERO deaths, ZERO hospitalizations, and ZERO intubations. In addition, I have not heard of any negative side effects other than approximately 10% of patients with temporary nausea and diarrhea.”

Said Dr. Zelenko:

"If you scale this nationally, the economy will rebound much quicker. The country will open again. And let me tell you a very important point. This treatment costs about $20. That’s very important because you can scale that nationally. If every treatment costs $20,000, that’s not so good.

All I’m doing is repurposing old, available drugs which we know their safety profiles, and using them in a unique combination in an outpatient setting."

The questions are disturbing to a spectacular degree. If Dr. Fauci has known since 2005 of the effectiveness of HCQ, why hasn’t it been administered immediately after people show symptoms, as Dr. Zelenko has done? Maybe then nobody would have died and nobody would have been incarcerated in place except the sick, which is who a quarantine is for in the first place. To paraphrase Jesus, it’s not the symptom-free who need HCQ but the sick. And they need it at the first sign of symptoms.

While the regressive health care establishment wants the HCQ cocktail to only be administered late in the course of the infection, from a medical standpoint, this is stupid. Said one doctor, “As a physician, this baffles me. I can’t think of a single infectious condition — bacterial, fungal, or viral — where the best medical treatment is to delay the use of an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, or anti-viral until the infection is far advanced.”

So why has Dr. Fauci minimized and dismissed HCQ at every turn instead of pushing this thing from jump street? He didn’t even launch clinical trials of HCQ until April 9, by which time 33,000 people had died.

This may be why: “Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases...is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV.” That’s the problem. It is safe, inexpensive, and it works - in other words, there’s nothing sexy or avant-garde about HCQ. It’s been around since 1934.

Given human nature, it’s possible, even likely, that those who are chasing the unicorn of a coronavirus vaccine are doing so for reasons other than human health. I can’t see into anybody’s heart, and can’t presume to know their motives, but on the other hand, human nature recognizes that there’s no glory in pushing HCQ, and nobody is going to get anything named for him in the history books. The polio vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk in 1954, and it is still known as the “Salk vaccine.” There will be no “Fauci vaccine” if HCQ is the answer to the problem.

So while Dr. Fauci is tut-tutting and pooh-poohing HCQ, Dr. Raoult and Dr. Zelensky are out there saving lives at $20 a pop. Maybe we should spend more time listening to them than the wizards-of-smart bureaucrats the Talking Snake Media fawns over.

Dr. Fauci is regarded by the Talking Snake Media as the Oracle at Delphi. The entire nation hangs on his every word. But if nobody is dying and nobody is locked down, his 15 minutes of fame fades to zero. Very few people are not going to be influenced by that prospect, especially when it’s easy to keep the attention of the public by continuing to feed the panic.

It should not be overlooked that there is no money in HCQ for Big Pharma since HCQ is a generic that can be manufactured so cheaply there is little profit margin in it. On the other hand, the payday for a vaccine will literally be off-the-charts. Who knows what kind of behind-the-scenes pressure is being put on Fauci and others in the health care establishment?

There is a monstrous reputational risk for those who will be found to have dismissively waved off a treatment that could have been used from the very beginning, even back on February 15 when Dr. Fauci said that the risk from Coronavirus was “minuscule.” How many lives could have been saved if the heads of our multi-billion dollar health care bureaucracy had been advocating for HCQ treatment from day one? We’ll never know. Instead, their advice has been dangerous and deadly in every sense of that word.

Someday - maybe even today - we will be able to identify the individuals who had the knowledge and expertise to make a global difference, but turned up their noses at the solution when it could have made all the difference in the world.

Bryan Fischer hosts "Focal Point with Bryan Fischer" every weekday on AFR Talk (American Family Radio) from 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. (Central). He is author of The Boy to Man Book: Preparing Your Son for Manhood.

This column first appeared on The Stand, the official blog site for American Family Association.

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Tue May 19, 2020 10:22 am

Wow - thanks for that article, Pete. Very thought-provoking!
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Tue May 19, 2020 11:08 am

Oh there is a ton fishy about this whole thing. This is NOT what "they" would have had you believe. I do not doubt the virus is real but everything surrounding this is very very fishy.

As for why this drug is not being pushed......follow the money my friend. Remdesivir is what, $1K a pill. Hydrox...$1-10 a pill.

We have some very very crooked and evil people in this world and much of this was contrived by those evil people. This whole mask thing, the separation of people, the isolation of people, the "keep everything closed for months on end", the drug debate, let's start school in Jan of 2021.... it is all fishy.

I am telling you people, you better wake up and pray for discernment because you have a whole lot of people with ulterior motives and they are not good. There is going to be a revolt by the people of the United States. Mark it down. It is about to explode.
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Tue May 19, 2020 11:53 am

Apparently I am not the only one!!!

Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus: Media have done a 'wonderful job frightening America'

Am assuming the entire conversation is on Youtube.

You just wait folks, once the smoke clears you are going to see some mighty infuriating things coming to light.
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:56 am

More opinion on hydroxychloroquine - video is about 6-1/2 minutes.
Also I happened to have a visit with my primary doc yesterday. (He is also a former Navy pilot.) At the end of the visit we happened to get into Covid-19. He also thinks that the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc treatment seems to work - if given early - and thinks he would seek it himself if needed. Same comments about the "studies" that showed it didn't work were on patients already far gone, but now there are a number of reports of docs doing it with up to 500 patents (or more now) each - and growing - showing clinical success, without bad side effects.
If the cardiac arrhythmias were anything other than very rare would have been way more of an issue for a drug that has been given to millions of folks (for malaria) for 70 years.
Also mentioned that the "research experts" are never satisfied until they have randomized double-blind studies with 1,000s of "subjects" for a year or more - that are then repeated by others. (If I have Covid, I'd hate to be randomly assigned to the placebo group!) They don't treat "patients", they have "subjects" for their studies.
Clinical success means something, even without "research". There was several things I did in dentistry for my 30-years that worked, even if there was no "research".
Anyway.....

Subject: Couple of Docs that actually treat Covid patients in the US......

Wonder how fast Youtube will censor this video as "not in compliance with WHO guidance"?
Video link: https://youtu.be/3g9g6hsU9N8
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“The People of the United States Need to Know They Have a Brilliant President” – TX Doctor Praises Trump following Hydroxychloroquine Announcement (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published May 18, 2020 at 11:08pm

Dr. Ivette Lozano joined Laura Ingraham on Monday night after President Trump announced he was taking hydryoxychloroquine as a prophylactic against the coronavirus.

Dr. Lozano has been treating coronavirus patients in Texas and having great success with hydroxychloroquine. The Texas doctor praised President Trump for his leadership.

Dr. Ivette Lozano: I think the people of the United States need to know they have a brilliant President of the United States and that he wants to keep himself safe and healthy so that he can guide us through this pandemic. He’s done an incredible job. He is saving thousands and thousands of lives. And I commend him for coming out publicly and sharing with his people that he is taking this drug, that it is completely safe, and that doctors need to start prescribing it immediately.

Dr. Lozano then weighed in on the elitist far left doctors who are putting American lives in danger by lying about this effective coronavirus treatment.

Dr. Lozano: Well I’m not sure those doctors are actually seeing patients or they’re just high up on the scale of the bureaucracy. So what I would tell them is to come over to my office and let me show them what it does.

This was an excellent segment.
Texas Dr. Ivette Lozano was terrific!

Via The Ingraham Angle Video link: https://youtu.be/3g9g6hsU9N8

Just noted this info:
Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955.[2] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[7] In 2017, it was the 128th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than five million prescriptions.
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Thu May 21, 2020 8:01 am

Yeah, the left meaning the media, politicians, agencies, doctors, etc., do NOT want Hydrox to work for a multitude of reasons. Therefore we must use it.
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Thu May 21, 2020 8:22 am

Most interesting! Note it is from the year of the NIH published study linked in my above long post.
(This falls - sort of - under "Humor"?)

1:45 minute video

https://youtu.be/gUEa9jzVzu4



TV Show: Dead Zone, 2003 – Episode “Plague”, Predicts Coronavirus Outbreak and Chloroquine Cure

This is a clip summarizing a 2003 episode of a TV show called Dead Zone, the episode name is “Plague.”

During the episode, someone takes a flight in from China into the US and they come down with an unknown virus. After identifying the virus as a SARS-related Coronavirus, one doctor figures out that they can stop the Coronavirus dead in its tracks using an anti-malaria drug called Chloroquine.

The writers have claimed that the information and research used to make this episode came directly from the CDC in 2003. Did the CDC know something in 2003 that they are not telling us now?
If you have ever heard of QAnon, you will know they are going crazy right now!
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Thu May 21, 2020 2:33 pm

WOW....2003?
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Came across this - interesting:
Hydroxychloroquine certified ‘most effective therapy’ in poll of doctors

An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors released on Thursday found that hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment for the coronavirus. The survey conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, of 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37 percent of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options. Of the physicians surveyed, 3,308 said they had either ordered a COVID-19 test or been involved in caring for a coronavirus patient, and 2,171 of those responded to the question asking which medications were most effective. "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave chloroquine and its next-generation derivative, hydroxychloroquine, emergency-use authorization Monday for treating the coronavirus, although the drug was already being used off-label by some doctors and hospitals for COVID-19 patients," Washington Times reporter Valerie Richardson noted. The Sermo survey also found that the most commonly prescribed treatments for coronavirus are analgesics (56%), azithromycin (41%) and hydroxychloroquine (33%).Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, was rated the second-most effective therapy at 32 percent, followed by “nothing,” analgesics (including acetaminophen), anti-HIV drugs and cough medicine.
In addition, talked with a friend of a friend yesterday. Learned the second friends husband had gotten quite ill, but - at the time - Covid testing was constrained, he was just told to stay home and the usual self treatment for the flu (stay hydrated, Tylenol, etc.).
did that for a week or more. Got worse, finally got seen again for testing and medical treatment, was positive for Covid, was given hydroxychloroquine (don't know if in combo with other?), and was much better within 24-hours.

As we used to derisively say, "...a scientific study with a vast sample size of one...", but hey?
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Sun May 24, 2020 9:29 am

No, there is a definitive motive by many to withhold or otherwise negate the use of Hydroxy. Money baby. And ties to China with the Remdisivir.
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